our life's are important, and maybe for many this board represents a first in a very important step to beginning a new life?
what is that new life?
it should be a life where we fulfill our wishes, not an organizations wishes, not our parents wishes and not our friends wishes.
Thanks scratch for your post and quoting me. However I would like it noted when I wrote:-
" Do not leave the Watchtower if you only have a poor quality of life outside the organization, remain with dignity, don't be intimidated by their authorative voice.....etc" that the message of my full post was to leave the W.T, but only when you are emotionally strong enough to handle it.
Thanks for your post, appreciated, as you made some great points.
with my wife, and son we went to an elton john concert in november.
the experience was almost ruined by a security guard saying my son was to young to attend the concert, but we simply joined a different entry point and luckily sneaked him in, by orlando hiding behind my wife as we presented the tickets.. my after thoughts observations are:-.
a) i purchased the tickets months before and to my knowledge no age of entry was mentioned.. b) so sad my boy could at 11 years old be denied an opportunity to miss seeing a world superstar ( at 67 elton can't perform much longer).
LoveUnHateExams " Ridiculose"
I agree, but looking at these concerts on you tube, I see children are never in the audience. It's sad, the only answer I can see justifiable is the noice could be damaging to the child's ears. But I have attended many football matches with Orlando and the " noice" " language" and " drunken behavior" outside the stadium are less acceptable than the worst of most rock concert audiences.
So whilst I can appreciate some rock concerts are not suitable for kids, i would have thought if a " World Famous Artist " is doing a world tour, it must become pretty obvious to the organisers, if the event is a suitable audience for children. Anyway, it was a musical experience that Orlando treasured and as a family we shared, also I think it a shame that children are denied the opportunity to attend " certain" rock concerts.
with my wife, and son we went to an elton john concert in november.
the experience was almost ruined by a security guard saying my son was to young to attend the concert, but we simply joined a different entry point and luckily sneaked him in, by orlando hiding behind my wife as we presented the tickets.. my after thoughts observations are:-.
a) i purchased the tickets months before and to my knowledge no age of entry was mentioned.. b) so sad my boy could at 11 years old be denied an opportunity to miss seeing a world superstar ( at 67 elton can't perform much longer).
With my wife, and son we went to an Elton John concert in November. The experience was almost ruined by a security guard saying my son was to young to attend the concert, but we simply joined a different entry point and luckily sneaked him in, by Orlando hiding behind my wife as we presented the tickets.
My after thoughts observations are:-
A) I purchased the tickets months before and to my knowledge no age of entry was mentioned.
B) So sad my boy could at 11 years old be denied an opportunity to miss seeing a world superstar ( at 67 Elton can't perform much longer)
My point is, the organizers of these concerts should know when a rock show is alcohol, sex, and decadence and when it's a family event that children should be privaliged to attend, without sneaking in. ( my boy is a tall 11 year old, and to have to sneak him in to Elton John and a quality music experience I felt was sad)
many bracketed portions in the scriptures, influence of foreign myths and unscientific teachings … etc show that scriptures have been corrupted.
even when they are not corrupted, religious teachings have often no effect even on direct disciples (when jesus was teaching, his immediate disciples were thinking about who was going to be first in the organization—something that happened in all religions which led into their infighting and divisions).
at the same time there are many good people among materialists, why?
I am an atheist and I may be wrong. But from my viewpoint I am an atheist because of words. Maybe this is why the only words Jesus wrote disappeared in the sand. I am referring to the scripture about the lady who committed adultry and was to be stoned, Jesus took his finger and wrote something in the sand, that today we can only speculate on what he wrote.
When you read and familiarize yourself with the endless Watchtower literature ...ummmm
Words are a far from perfect way to express our point of view. It has gotten worse as today we have smilies and twitter... :-) :-( :----) whatever.
so i did a huge book clearout before i moved house a few weeks ago.
among the books for sale were some watchtower books that had become obsolete, old light or had since been "clarified" by the society.
so i thought they'd be wanted by ex-jw's or active apostates for their research.. unfortunately, it looks like an active jw is so brainwashed that they not only bought the "old light" version of gods kingdom rules but they even suggested that i read it because "time is running out".
I think that so funny, this brain washed Witness can only read certain books published by his beloved organization, by buying them on " Eaby"
Maybe upon receiving the book " Gods Kingdom Rules" and reading the contents he will awaken.
our life's are important, and maybe for many this board represents a first in a very important step to beginning a new life?
what is that new life?
it should be a life where we fulfill our wishes, not an organizations wishes, not our parents wishes and not our friends wishes.
I think my point is, we need the mental strength to leave. And if we leave and still feel we have accountability to people, and we have nothing in our life's to occupy our time then when we leave, we leave with a mental weakness, which can be hard to handle.
Leave without turning back, but don't leave and end up depressed and alone. It is my observation on this forum, many leave and still do their brain in asking questions about God. If you leave and 90% of your mind is always thinking about challenging people on God stuff, is this healthy? Life in my opinion is more fun and easier to deal with, when we can stop thinking about questions we never find an answer to.
Life can be top quality, my son has given me so much happiness and a merry Christmas to everyone on the board.
our life's are important, and maybe for many this board represents a first in a very important step to beginning a new life?
what is that new life?
it should be a life where we fulfill our wishes, not an organizations wishes, not our parents wishes and not our friends wishes.
Maybe Fairlane, their is no blanket right or wrong way to leave, yet anyway we leave is the right way.
Elton John, ( Funneral for a friend / Love lies bleeding)
The roses in the window box
Have tilted to one side
Everything about this house
Is gonna grow old and die.
Oh it doesn't seem a year ago to this day
You said I'm sorry honey
If I dont change the pace
I can't face another day
I wonder if those changes
Have left a scar on you
Like all the burning hoops of fire
That you and I passed through.
...............................................
Personally my leaving was much easier by attending Watford f.c, matches and having a community of 20,000 to connect with. I also enjoyed my on-line Chess community, because it gave me moves to think about during the day, before I revisited the game made my move and got checkmated.
our life's are important, and maybe for many this board represents a first in a very important step to beginning a new life?
what is that new life?
it should be a life where we fulfill our wishes, not an organizations wishes, not our parents wishes and not our friends wishes.
Our life's are important, and maybe for many this board represents a first in a very important step to beginning a new life? What is that new life? It should be a life where we fulfill our wishes, not an organizations wishes, not our parents wishes and not our friends wishes. But our wishes. Maybe for many our wish is still a mystery, but finding that wish, is the highest form of achievement we can give our life. For many particularly the young, this may require rebelling against our parents, not an easy thing to do particularly if we love our parents and they love us.
When we we are at the early stages of our "new life" the days seem short and dark, but the days will slowly get longer and brighter once we find what we really wish to do with our life's. Maybe that should be our first step in our plans to leave the Watchtower.
So do not leave the Watchtower if you only have a poor quality of life outside the organization, remain with dignity, don't be intimidated by their authorative voice, and plan a future where you are fulfilling your own wishes. Remember our life is for our enjoyment, and it should never be given to a heartless organizations, nor even well wishing parents. HOWEVER, neither hould our rebellion from the Watchtower leave us friendless and alone.
I wish everyone good luck in connecting with themselves, and successfully finding their new life.
i sometimes did work for a lovely old couple who at times needed repairs done around their home.
my wife and myself spent time with them, having tea and crackers from time to time.
one day the husband and myself got into a conversation and he clearly showed himself to be a holocaust denier.
For clarification in my earlier post I mentioned the holocaust survivors I had met. I did this because we are approaching a time when the generation of holocaust survivors, will have passed away. Therefore our children will never have the privilege to meet a holocaust survivor, sadly they may meet a holocaust denier, so the truth about the Nazi death camps should always be taught.
i sometimes did work for a lovely old couple who at times needed repairs done around their home.
my wife and myself spent time with them, having tea and crackers from time to time.
one day the husband and myself got into a conversation and he clearly showed himself to be a holocaust denier.
When I worked at Moss Bros as a child, a few holocaust survivors worked in the tailors dept, they kept themselves to themselves but we're very kind to me, and got me out some messes when I got my fitting measurements wrong.
A teacher at school was a survivor, never a personal tutor of mine, but at meal times I remember she would get angry if kids wasted food. I now understand why.
i have been to a few talks held at libraries given by survivors, always treasured the fact they wanted to teach about intolerance.
I would never deny the holocaust, but like with any subject, critical thinking needs be applied to the books we read. Calel Perechenik, Autobiography " Am I a murdereer" and "The death Brigarde" by Leon Wells, are two books that present irrefutable evidence gas chambers were real. I have never found concrete evidence of the actual figure that were killed in the gas chambers, but I have zero tolerance for those that deny the holocaust happened.
